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Uncut Operating Rod Question - Use or not (every thread rolled into one)
Uncut Operating Rod Question - Use or not (every thread rolled into one)
A uncut oprod came on my recent CMP SA SG rifle. The oprod isn't correct to the receiver, but only off by some months. The oprod is a 6 SA when my 629,XXX receiver probably came with a 3 SA originally. I have read somewhere that these original uncut oprods are better not shot and left instead for the people wanting to assemble correct M1's.
So...would you leave that oprod in on a shooter rifle? I can't imagine abusing the rifle with my handloads...they'd be pretty mild. I suppose an adjustable gas cylinder lock could help too...in preventing possible damage. I suppose I could also get a later oprod and just hold the WWII version back to protect it. Opinions? Thanks,
FWIW, I would not shoot an uncut rod, kinda hard to replace. The reason for the relief cut was to reduce the possibility of the rod cracking at the joint, hence the modification.
Put it away and be thankful you have one for later use.
If it's of concern to you, then trade it to a collector.
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Dan W.
CMP GSM Master Instructor
CMP HP Master
DR#2474 (2019) 1/2 with irons, 1/2 with optics
UNCUT OPRODs were used on M1 Garands from 1936 throughout WWII...and were replaced or modified during the REBUILDING program in the late forties thru the mid fifties...and yet there were many rifles that escaped without their OPRODs being replaced or modified...and continued to be used in service throughout the fifties, sixties, and seventies!!!
SO...will the OPROD fracture if you use it???
Don't know...can't tell!!!
I've got UNCUT OPRODS on two of my Garands and that's where they're gonna stay!!!
And those rifles are shot periodically...BUT not on a DAILY, INTENSIVE, or SUSTAINED basis!!!
Dion D. Rode
AK2 US Navy / SFC (13F4H) US Army (RET)
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No,that is a Myth.Launcher holds open poppet in lock releasing pressure,won't even fully cycle bolt.The cut relieved pressure of angle which is prone to cracking.
The 90 degree angle of the uncut op rod is a point of stress concentration due to the sharp angle. The relief cut eliminates the sharp angle and the stress concentration point.
You could get the joint magnetic particle or dye penetrant checked to see if it has started to crack. But since there is not much material in the op rod at that point, I suspect that once it starts to crack, it may not take too many more rounds before the op rod fails completely.
To be on the safe side, physically and financially, I would put the uncut op rod aside for a restoration project that wasn't going to be shot, or to return to your rifle when you decide to retire it from "active" duty.
Im with the "Dont shoot" crowd. I had one in my CMP service grade last year. I was able to trade it to a collector for some WRA Parts for my "Woodless" project.
I was shooting my -9 uncut oprod quite happily, and blissfully ignorant of the whole cut/uncut "thing". A coulple of years ago I was having my rifle checked at the CMP van at Perry and a person I do not know gave me a (yes as in free)65 series oprod, if I would take the uncut oprod off and put it away for history.
The theory being that they don't make them anymore, and someday none of us will be around and many of these beautiful rifles will be in the hands of other enthsiasts, some of whom "might" say "what was that guy thinking?"
Just a thought
Remember that years ago that captain crunch consumed 1.5 million at Anniston. That is a lot of our history gone forever.
Anyway..........I do not use it anymore, but that's just me.
Remember, once an original WWII op rod is cut you can't put metal back ! That uncut op rod is truly a piece of history..I have many Garands with them..And they don't get shot..I have many M1s with cut op rods for taking to the range and having fun....... Remember also that the uncut op rods on the M1 Garands won WWII for us..................
Remember, once an original WWII op rod is cut you can't put metal back ! That uncut op rod is truly a piece of history..I have many Garands with them..And they don't get shot..I have many M1s with cut op rods for taking to the range and having fun....... Remember also that the uncut op rods on the M1 Garands won WWII for us..................
A uncut oprod came on my recent CMP SA SG rifle. The oprod isn't correct to the receiver, but only off by some months. The oprod is a 6 SA when my 629,XXX receiver probably came with a 3 SA originally. I have read somewhere that these original uncut oprods are better not shot and left instead for the people wanting to assemble correct M1's.
So...would you leave that oprod in on a shooter rifle? I can't imagine abusing the rifle with my handloads...they'd be pretty mild. I suppose an adjustable gas cylinder lock could help too...in preventing possible damage. I suppose I could also get a later oprod and just hold the WWII version back to protect it. Opinions? Thanks,
Jeff
I shoot an uncut on my match prepared M1. I don't use an adjustable plug on that rifle and I tend to shoot ammo that is outside of the accepted "M1 safe" zone.
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