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Old 09-26-2021, 03:16 PM
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I have a 1962 Camp Perry NM 1911A1. One of 172 sold that year.
I was reading that SA sample tested their 1962 National Match 1911A1 pistols and they shot, three consecutive ten shot groups under 4" at 50 yards.
I could not do that at 50 feet. I am not a pistol shooter, is that good?
What would you expect a service grade 1911A1 do at 50 yards?
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Old 09-26-2021, 03:56 PM
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Service grade? Maybe 8 inches w/ ball ammo. Sincerely. bruce
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Old 09-26-2021, 04:41 PM
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A regular as issued 1911A1 even in the best of skilled hands is probably good for about 10” at 50 for a typical specimen some worse some perhaps a bit better. I used to own a couple USGI national match pistols and they are indeed great shooters, with 4 inch 50 yard groups being easily achieved off a bench offhand not so much.
The guns are capable it is the shooter that handicaps the gun usually not the other way around
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Was the SA sample test done with it in a Ransom rest? This might explain their results.
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Old 09-26-2021, 06:59 PM
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"3,025 NM pistols were produced in 1962 and only 172 were sold to civilians through DCM." www.coolgunsite.com... 1962NM page
"The average group size of three ten shop groups fired from each of a late sample of 255 National Match Pistols was 4.0 inches at 50 yards." 1962 Pistol National Matches brochure, Camp Perry, Ohio, page 4.
So maybe 255 of the last 500 to 1,000 NM pistols.
"The acceptance standard for the issue Cal. .45 M1911A1 pistol is a 3 inch group at 15 yards.
The acceptance standard for the National Match Cal. .45 pistol is a 4.5 inch group at 50 yards." 1962 Pistol National Matches brochure, Camp Perry, Ohio, page 1.

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Old 09-26-2021, 07:21 PM
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While training with the Army Marksmanship Training unit in 1972 I saw master class shooters shoot slow fire scores in the high 80s low 90s every day using an arms room 1911A1 and ball ammo not match ammo. That is 10 rounds one handed at 50 yds. The 9 ring is 5.5" the 8 ring is 8". The pistols had been worked on by the armorer but no NM parts were allowed, basically as issued. We swapped a lot of parts trying to find what shot best. Mine shot best with STP on the barrel to tighten the barrel to bushing fit, the dirtier it got the better it shot until it quit cycling.

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Old 09-26-2021, 08:03 PM
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Was the SA sample test done with it in a Ransom rest? This might explain their results.
Yes, those standards were off a mechanical rest and depending on the source of the testing, a special rifle action with 45 barrel in it.

FWIW ......the NRA pamphlet "The 45 Automatic" (The older tan one marked "R4" and dated 1960) has a article that tests out standard 1911's and the various NM mods..............

Issue 1911's, with match ammunition, at 50yds, shot anywhere from 5.1" to 13.6".......

So no, with that as a basis, using a service grade M1911 with regular ball......... those groups would get pretty large.


PS.... OP..... yes in the hands of a good shooter and better ammo, those pistols could shoot.
The M9's (again match conditioned and good ammo) with a good shooter do even better...........
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