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Old 08-03-2020, 12:58 PM
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Old 08-03-2020, 01:05 PM
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I ordered online from Budís Gun Shop in Lexington, Ky. They had 10 left as of July 25th. There are other online dealers that sell them. You may even find the Egyptian and Iraqi models too (they contracted with Beretta) but are a little more rare. I wanted the actual Beretta Italian stamped models that were used by their Navy and police forces from 1951-1980. What is cool is the M1951 is the precursor to the M9 adopted by our Armed Forces after the 1911.


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Old 08-03-2020, 01:15 PM
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Some pics of the ones I ordered, cleaned and test fired. Came with one mag including Paolo’s[emoji23]


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Old 08-03-2020, 01:17 PM
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Some pics of the ones I ordered, cleaned and test fired. Came with one mag including Paolo’s[emoji23]


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Old 08-03-2020, 02:33 PM
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Old 08-03-2020, 02:37 PM
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Old 08-04-2020, 05:54 AM
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The article mentions the 45acp is not better than 9mm. How convenient that history is re written every decade on the 9mm round . Its convenient and convincing but the fact was hard learned in the Miami shoot out by the FBI..9mm was inadequate. Go research that history. The sole reason the 9mm is so popular and prevalent is recoil and that aspect impacts on training. Most shooters are recoil adverse and find managing 45 ACP problematic but can do right well with 9mm.

The 1911 platform is well known as a combat hand gun. THey can be had in 45 acp, 38 Super, 9mm and 40 S&W, 10MM calibers. The issue for anyone wanting a 1911 (its ergonomics are superb) and its reliability near perfection...the issue is caliber of choice.

Its no use to buy a pistol in a caliber you can't manage so shoot a pistol in as large a caliber as you can shoot well with. If that is 9mm...then get good with your 9mm pistol.

The failure of the US Army to properly train soldiers to shoot a 1911 is the reason why it got a reputation of being hard to shoot and inaccurate. The Army "qualified" soldiers and basically if they could hit a barn door at 25 yds they were qualified...there was no real effort Army Wide to train soldiers to be proficient and effective with 1911. On the Special Forces side of the house, that was entirely not the case. If one is properly trained, the 1911 is mastered.

Far too often short cuts in training impact on how well , how miserably a weapon is perceived...be it in military or Law enforcement. Its true, one can train faster a shooter with 9mm than 45acp on average
and training thru put often drives decisions on what caliber of pistol to issue police or military.

Lastly: if the pistol does not fit your hand...find one that does.

The 1911 is trustworthy. Not for debate...over 100 yrs of proving that and until Glocks and SIGs prove it for 100 yrs, those platforms just are good pistols needing more wars to earn the title of Trustworthy.

The day in Iraq that I found a 1911 and could turn in my M9 was a glorious day in my life...I never trusted the M9 and damn sure did not trust 9mm. You can't argue this , I'm betting my life and that ends academic discussion of 9mm vs 45acp.

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Old 08-04-2020, 06:28 AM
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I am totally in agreement with Milprileb. A 1911 chambered in .45 ACP is what I choose when the cost of coming in 2nd place is serious injury or death.

I might add that some functional issues that have cropped up with 1911's in the civilian world are due to two factors. The first is use of ammunition with bullet profiles that are not compatible with the controlled feed feature of the 1911 pistol. If you don't use 230 grain ball ammo, go with something that has a similar profile. The second is the alteration of dimensions and dimensional tolerances on some 1911 clones. As one deviates from the original 1911 design, there can be functional issues. A pistol that is too tight is simply not reliable. When a manufacturer states that you need to fire 250 rounds to "break in" their pistols, they are fit too tight.
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Old 08-04-2020, 06:39 AM
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If I could only choose one pistol to defend myself (I have several in the usual calibers) I would unhesitatingly choose my Colt 1991A1. It is perhaps a dozen years old to me, bought it used, but it has never had a failing of any sort other than an occasional malfunction from my reload during my early years at reloading.

I can see that many prefer the 9mm round but my reading tells me that this renewal is brought on by improvements in design relating to expansion and energy transfer. I will still stick with the 1911 platform in .45 acp. I would assume that any modern improvement in the 9mm round would also share the transfer of that improvement to the .40 and .45 rounds. I can't find the article right now but it showed expansion of the 9mm, .40, and .45 rounds and the newer designs all expanded quite well, some with double the size of the original round.
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Old 08-04-2020, 08:32 AM
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I’m pretty sure the FBI shoot out in Miami precipitated the adoption of .40 and acceptance of the .45 as well. But it was attributed to the the lack of bullet design and matching ballistics. And the current acceptance of 9mm again is due to advances in these areas. At least that’s their reasoning!
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