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Old 05-13-2022, 06:00 PM
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Does anyone know of records that exist for firearms that were lost during WWII? I am still trying to find the final link to my Ithaca M1911A1 #1466344.

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Old 05-13-2022, 10:28 PM
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I'm certain they don't exist, not what you wanted to hear but paper records if ever existed are long gone.

Just as snap shot, in the Army during my 30 years, arms room record and property book records changed all the time. If you had records 18 months old, they were tossed out. Loss of property accounted for and property books corrected, old records destroyed. When in mid 80's we turned in our 1911's for the M9 pistols, once accountability validated, 1911 records in the unit destroyed.

Military does not consider history important in regards to weapons, it maintains accountability at a local level and does not keep historical files. In current times where data bases now exist, some weapons can be traced to depots and locations. FOIA requests as posted , for example at 1911 forum on CMP , clearly shows limited history can be established and its only recent accountability records.

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Old 05-14-2022, 09:37 AM
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I have found that weapons records were not available or not in existence when I tried to connect two Browning .50 machine guns to a 1948 P2V aircraft crash site.

The two guns were recovered and their serial numbers plainly readable, but no record connecting them to the plane could be located. It would have been an important document for the investigation.

The aircraft was properly identified by other means and the nine crew members' remains were recovered, identified and buried with military honors in Arlington National Cemetery.
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Old 05-14-2022, 11:58 AM
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When I received my M-1 carbine in 1945, The supply sgt. checked my records, then reached behind him and picked up a carbine out of the pile and handed it to me. He never looked at the number or anything. He then handed me several mags and pouches for them and I was out the door. They then knew I had a carbine but nobody knew which one. I never learned the serial number because it was always with me until the day I turned it back in.
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Old 05-14-2022, 12:08 PM
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Nobody keeps track of destroyed gear during the heat of a war, especially an item like a rifle that was subject to extreme use and risk of loss. Too many other, bigger fish to fry.
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Old 05-14-2022, 01:34 PM
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I donít think that the serial number fetish had reached the intensity of today during World War 2. Those numbers were to keep track of the weapons for inventory purposes. These days the numbers are to keep track of exactly who is in possession of said arms from manufacture to the time that they are destroyed for scrap.
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Old 05-14-2022, 04:37 PM
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How many items did a soldier, airman, sailor or marine use that had a serial number?
Scopes, binoculars, compasses, radios, gunsights, bomb sights, jeeps, engines, laptops, cellphones, drill presses, think about it.

Just because it had a serial number does not mean it was routinely recorded.
Same does for today, but as mentioned above firearms are a bit more controlled than 75 or 150 years ago.
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Old 05-14-2022, 05:12 PM
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most records were lost in 1973
https://www.archives.gov/personnel-r...nter/fire-1973
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Old 05-14-2022, 07:24 PM
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I found a substantial amount of 1911a1 serials from WW2 at the Archives. Probably enough to double what is in the SRS. The catch..... They were all reported as being stolen.

So they are better to stay buried.
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Old 05-16-2022, 03:49 PM
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I found a substantial amount of 1911a1 serials from WW2 at the Archives. Probably enough to double what is in the SRS. The catch..... They were all reported as being stolen.

So they are better to stay buried.
aka "Bringbacks" lol
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