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Old 02-11-2021, 08:19 AM
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Default Enbloc clip marked 1

Found a clip simply marked with the number 1. Any info on this? Can't seem to find anything. Pictures are impossible to me. Can send a photo through the phone to someone who knows how to post. Thad
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Old 02-11-2021, 08:28 AM
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are the notches cut all the through the sides of your clip ?

I have an early clip marked 0

besides the notches the web pattern is different on the back
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Old 02-11-2021, 08:50 AM
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EDIT: read the thread. Current info would suggest that the 0 and 1 marked Emblocs are more likely to be Springfield Manufactured. I am not editing my posts for context as this discussion evolved so note the errors

——- original post ——-

The Type 1 Enbloc with the notches cut and marked O or 1 is an Educational one made by Winchester. The Type 1 Enblocs were made until about 1939.

It is a rather valuable and rare Enbloc to collectors.

—- I decided a not here is needed to make this as accurate as possible ——

Edit: as based on the discussion that follows: the manufacturer of the 0 and 1 marked Enbloc is at best described as unknown and assumed to be Springfield or Winchester. As for the date, they are early as the Type 1 with the notches were the original specification until the Type 2 which was approved in blueprints in 1939. Note however that even though the type 2 without the cut notches was approved in 1939 there is no clear documentation that I have available to say when the update occurred. Of particular interest WRA made Type 1 and Type 3 enblocs but no examples of a WRA Type 2 are known to exist. The Type 3 specification was approved in 1943 (via Blueprint release). So, WRA could have started making the Type 1 Enblocs late and continued producing them through the period other manufacturers were making Type 2 or even type 3 enblocs.

There is a group trying to gather and confirm these details but the available information is sparse.

If anybody has information we would love to welcome you to the discussion to try to document this history before it is lost.

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Old 02-11-2021, 09:14 AM
Robert C. Lovell Robert C. Lovell is offline
 
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This does not have anything to do with enblocs or even with shooting but it reminded me of something that happened several years ago. I believe it was in Idaho, but the students released three goats in the school. They numbered them "1", "2" and "4". Considerable time was spent looking for "3".
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Old 02-11-2021, 09:32 AM
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Yes the notches are cut all the way through. Thanks for.the information. Thad
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Old 02-11-2021, 09:44 AM
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I have owned or handled about a dozen early Winchester clips with the notches cut all the way through the side and with the early web pattern on the back.

All were marked WRA at an angle none were numbered.

Early Winchester clips had the notches cut at the wrong location and had to be recut to work and used in-house for testing
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Old 02-11-2021, 12:30 PM
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Thanks for sharing, glad someone is researching this. If you want I can send you a pic via phone. PM me your number or I can PM you my number. Thad
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Old 02-11-2021, 04:02 PM
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Quarterbore, sent you an email, do not Facebook. Feel free to post the images so other members can see. Especially if is right or wrong. Thad
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Old 02-11-2021, 04:34 PM
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just out of curiosity, is there some sort of documentation that Winchester manufactured the 0 marked early variation en bloc ? or is this a new discovery

The early notched blank clips have been around for a long time but lack any documentation as to manufacturer.

When the gas trap M1 rifle entered service, what was the marking on the clip ?
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Old 02-11-2021, 05:43 PM
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so you actually don.t have anything you could reference or document that would state Winchester manufactured the early notched 0 marked clip ?
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